> In Japan, leaving before the boss is distasteful
My personal management policy is I get in before and leave after all my employees incase they need me and to show them that I am there for/with them (within reason - if someone is putting a really late night I may leave first).
The idea of not leaving before the boss leaves is weird to me. I get higher pay and more stock options, why should I be leaving early when my team is working their butt's off?
Edit: I realize this could be taken as a ploy from me to get the team to work more hours. But I also don't shame employees for leaving before me. It's not a contest. If they get their work done they shouldn't feel guilty leaving at 5:00.
> If they get their work done they shouldn't feel guilty leaving at 5:00.
Close but not perfect. My correction would be "even if they don't get their work done, they shouldn't feel guilty leaving at 5:00."
The reason I say this is because one could easily argue that there's always more work to be done. That's always been the case for me anyway. But tomorrow is another day. When you've put in a full workday already, nobody should make you feel guilty for leaving just because there's more work to do. There's always more work to do!
I'm sure that's what the parent meant - I understood "get their work done" to mean "they are working productively over a long period" and not "they finished all assigned tasks for the day"
Problem of Japanese employment is that employment often do not carry clear "job description" or it may be taken so lightly. So regardless of whether you are done with your work for the day, your boss may approach and say "hey, your fellow co-worker is still not done with their tasks, why aren't you helping them before you leave?"
> The idea of not leaving before the boss leaves is weird to me. I get higher pay and more stock options, why should I be leaving early when my team is working their butt's off?
For two reasons:
- You get higher higher pay because hopefully you are more useful to your company than the other people in your team.
- You are probably forcing your team to work longer than they would if you left before them.
As I pointed out in another post. The average number of hours worked is barely more than 40 so I don't think people feel pressured. And related to that, we encourage people to use their vacation time.
Yeah, you can always do some of tomorrow's goals, and continue until you hit some more difficult problem, at which point your work in advance will let you spend more time working on that problem.
People who don't like what they do won't do this, of course.
Serious answer... if they really have nothing else to work on then sure. But that's obviously rare. So more realistically... if the project was early I'd actually suggest to them that if they want to take some PTO time they can.
No, but as I pointed out in another post. The average number of hours worked is barely more than 40 so I think people get it.
As far as "out at five" goes... we have flex hours so some people don't even get in until 10:30... if they left at 5 it would be a very short week for them.
At the company I work for, managers are encouraged to keep normal hours so as not to set a bad example for employees. Your reports may take a different message from your long work hours than you intend. "This is what it required to make it to the next level." "He's judging me when I leave." Just something to consider the next time you evaluate this decision.
While I understand that is a real risk (which is why I added my edit)... the average time someone in our company works is 45 hours with most being closer to 40 so I don't think it is having that effect.
More precisely, some people come in late (10:30 or so) and some people come in early (7AM or so)... I come in before the 7 AM people and leave after the people who came in at 10:30. But none of them work excessively. (except for me)
My personal management policy is I get in before and leave after all my employees incase they need me and to show them that I am there for/with them (within reason - if someone is putting a really late night I may leave first).
The idea of not leaving before the boss leaves is weird to me. I get higher pay and more stock options, why should I be leaving early when my team is working their butt's off?
Edit: I realize this could be taken as a ploy from me to get the team to work more hours. But I also don't shame employees for leaving before me. It's not a contest. If they get their work done they shouldn't feel guilty leaving at 5:00.