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Had to google around to understand wake turbulence. If I read the wiki correctly, it's basically a horizontal tornado that emanates from the wings. That would explain the rolling that the aircraft encountered.

On another note, I fly every week for work, can't imagine rolling five times and engines losing power with a drop of 10k feet. That's absolutely insane. I've had engines lose power before, but it was quickly regained such that the drop was more moderate.



It's helpful to think of an aircraft's wake in two parts.

The wing is deflecting air downward to provide lift; this creates a volume of downward-moving air behind the aircraft.

There's higher pressure under the wing and lower pressure on top, so air from below tries to get above the wing at the wingtips. This causes circulatory motion, yielding wingtip vortices (see my top-level comment for some visualizations).


Do you happen to know how arial refueling works then ? E.g. in this image [1] the jet is flying where I would expect a lot of deflected air to be moving to ? Or is it just deflected much more steeply ?

[1]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/US_Navy_...


The other two replies covered your questions well, so I'll just add that wakes don't descend particularly fast. According to the FAA's Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge[1] (page 14-28), "Tests have also shown that the vortices sink at a rate of several hundred feet per minute, slowing their descent and diminishing in strength with time and distance behind the generating aircraft."

Considering the Challenger's encounter with the A380's wake, it took 1-2 minutes for the Challenger to hit the wake, so the wake probably had 1-3 minutes to make the 1000-foot descent. That very roughly fits the expected "several hundred feet per minute" descent rate.

Considering the case of refueling, the wake's motion downward is much slower than the aircrafts' horizontal motion, so it wouldn't have descended much by the time it's left behind entirely.

[1] Available for free at https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/a...


From these two threads, it seems like its a combination of flying very close (avoiding wake from the wing tips) and steeply below the tanker:

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/9572/how-do-air...

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1022271


the wortex begin as high density high velocity turbolence and expands rearward

http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/145D430D4CFE23D50A5BD0

being close is relatively safe from wortexes - there still is some other turbulence to consider, but the standard turbulent flow caused by drag is chaotic so it'll shake you but will 'even out'


Great explanation!

I think it's also interesting to point out this is also the explanation for the trend of adding winglets to the tip of the wings.

They help reduce the wingtip vorticies, and in turn, reduce parasitic drag and improve fuel efficiencies.


Glad you brought up winglets. My favorite example are those on the new 737 MAX. Boeing's page[1] about them is top-notch.

[1] http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/737-max-winglets/


Good visualizations, thanks!


What would you do? I imagine immediately going down 3000ft could have avoided it.




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