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Section 5.1 (page 4) describes new rules for US CBP searches:

“Officers may not intentionally use the device to access information that is solely stored remotely. Officers will either request that the traveler disable connnectivity to any remote network…”



So it sounds like a workaround is to avoid storing any data locally on the device. I wonder how effective that would be in practice. It might raise some suspicion if you unlocked your phone and they discovered you were logged out of everything, and there was nothing on the phone.


> It might raise some suspicion if you unlocked your phone and they discovered you were logged out of everything, and there was nothing on the phone.

There are countries[0] I travel to where that’s exactly what they find, essentially a freshly wiped phone. Hasn’t raised suspicion yet.

[0] it’s also how I travel to certain security conferences. Buy a used/refurbished device before, use for duration of event, sell immediately after.


> sell [device] immediately after

I've heard people say that if their laptop or phone were searched out of their sight by border officials, they'd sell it afterward.

But is it ethical? I think this meat might be contaminated; I'm not going to risk eating it, so I'll sell it.


I'd consider it my lucky day and auction it off to security researchers.


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Sorry if I started the discussion provocatively. I'm thinking that there should be an alternative to throwing a $1000+ device in the garbage or passing the (potential) problem onto someone else. I don't know if there are any other alternatives, but I wanted to have a discussion from that angle.



Sorry, I probably was too sensitive to the reply. Mea culpa.

> I don't know if there are any other alternatives

In my opinion, there will likely never be anything to ensure nothing was done, hence why (well that plus the example you gave) I incorrectly assumed you were backhandedly making an insult rather than asking for a real discussion on it.


You're doing it, do you think it's ethical? If so, why?

(I actually don't care, but your response was ridiculous and I noticed you avoided answering.)


Would you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? You've done this a fair bit, and it violates the spirit of this site, as described at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html.

Your comment would be fine with just the first sentence.


Dang, I respect you and the work you do here, and I really value the HN site. I never set out to post uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments, and when I do I usually delete them or at least add an edit or reply to soften them. And if somebody calls me out on something I check myself, and apologise if I think I messed up.

I started to write a whole long thing defending my previous posts but I stopped myself. I did add up all the points from my most recent 10 comments, the total is 17. I'm having a bad run at average 1.7 points. So, yes, you're absolutely right, and I'll try to do better.

(There was one exception to my policy that happened recently, where I snarked at some person who was complaining about how hard it is for white men to speak their truth in silicon valley, from an account with a racial pejorative for username. My comment got flagged. Rightly so.)

I consider myself a hacker, I hope I'm a net benefit to the community, and I'd really like to see HN stay high quality. I did reread both the guidelines and the welcome page you linked and I am "on-board".

But, ...

Just kidding, no "but".

Sorry for the noise dude, I'll try to do better.


Thanks! I really appreciate this.


Cheers :-)


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