The issue that people, at least Americans, run into is that consuming a “normal amount of carbs” is shockingly hard if you’re not consciously trying to avoid them. Foods that don’t really need sugar in them often have it in huge amounts because it delivers more flavor oomph (and separately delivers a dopamine hit). This is especially true in the aftermath of the war on fat because, shocker, fat tastes really good and when you remove it, food tastes worse. How do you make up for that? Add sugar.
Do you believe that a plain bagel is less healthy than a slice of pie as a result? The pie will definitely have more added sugars. A plain bagel would make for a reasonable breakfast. Pie?