I totally agree. I felt a number of the Master's level CS classes were more like hazings than classes. It was like some professors were most interested in making their particular field of interest seem insanely difficult at the expense of students comprehending the material. Or alternately, some profs were primarily concerned with creating material difficult that most of the students would falter, and it would become clear who the top 3-5 students are. Then they would know who to invite to their research group. Neither of these made for a particularly fun experience.
But at the same time, some of the classes had very difficult subject matter and the professors were actually interested in teaching students instead of torturing them. So it wasn't totally a bad experience.
I guess there is some value in having these online classes because they motivate professors to make their subject matter more palatable. I just don't want my degree devalued by people who aren't as astute as yourself when it comes to the gap between the online courses and those taken by Stanford students.
I just don't want my degree devalued by people who aren't as astute as yourself when it comes to the gap between the online courses and those taken by Stanford students.
I can certainly understand this worry, but I don't think you really have to worry too much about this. Those who matter will always know the true value of a Stanford education. It's not quite as good as an MIT education ;) but it's right up there.
When I worked at Harvard a few years ago, there was a tempest in a tea pot over Harvard Extension and Hillary Duff. The media got wind that Hillary was taking some distance learning classes via Harvard Extension and referred to her as a "Harvard student". Harvard Extension is an excellent institution, and Harvard should be commended for running it, but it is rather different from Harvard College and Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. Harvard Extension, for instance, has no admissions requirements. They accept everyone, but you can't stay in it unless you get decent grades.
In response to the news stories about Hillary, The Crimson published an editorial that was extremely snide about Ms. Duff being a "Harvard (extension) student". This editorial did not make the undergraduate population of Harvard look good. It made them look like a bunch of unsympathetic brats. Sure, it might be a bit annoying if you feel that any ol' person can claim to be a Harvard student when you worked hard your entire life to get into Harvard. On the other hand, when it matters, there is unlikely to be any real confusion, and there is no real devaluation of a Harvard College degree.
It is true that some people do through a bit of vagary to pass off their Harvard Extension degree as a Harvard College or Graduate School degree, but when you catch someone in this, it just makes them look rather bad.
In summary, I hope that Stanford students don't make the same mistake that the Harvard Crimson made. If I didn't know a bunch of Harvard students personally, the Crimson article would have reinforced a bad taste in my mind about Harvard students in general.
The classes were presented as being the same as Stanford classes, and in the AI class one of the professors claimed to be surprised that the online students were doing better than the Stanford students. As if the comparison was valid based on the difficulty of the material.
You can't make those sorts of claims and at the same time try to protect the reputation of the institution by saying that the online class is not as rigorous as the "real" Stanford class.
There's some actual danger in devaluing Stanford's rep here.
I took two of the classes and they never once claimed that either of these classes were the same as the Stanford class. In fact, they stated several times that they were not the same, and made it quite clear that you would not be getting Stanford credit of any kind for the class. For the database class, I did receive a "letter of achievement" or somesuch from the professor, but it was a letter from the professor and not from Stanford. For the Machine Learning class, I didn't even get that.
In the database class they did say that this class wasn't terribly different from the real Stanford class, but that the Stanford students would probably be assigned a bit more of the problems that were particularly challenging. Those questions, however, were pretty much the least valuable questions in the entire class, since they had little relationship to any kind of query you'd ever use in the real world. I.e., they're the kind of question that teachers like to put in there so that you can have a more distinct grading curve. In any case, the database class was a fair amount of work, so I don't think that it is likely to make a Stanford education seem too easy.
The Machine Learning class, on the other hand, never made any claim at all of being remotely like the real Stanford class. Their only claim was that it would give you a good foundation to use Machine Learning techniques in the real world. That is a completely true statement. As it turns out, however, Stanford did offer the free Machine Learning class that I took as a real Stanford class for those at Stanford who wanted an easier version of Machine Learning.
But at the same time, some of the classes had very difficult subject matter and the professors were actually interested in teaching students instead of torturing them. So it wasn't totally a bad experience.
I guess there is some value in having these online classes because they motivate professors to make their subject matter more palatable. I just don't want my degree devalued by people who aren't as astute as yourself when it comes to the gap between the online courses and those taken by Stanford students.