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>Let's be clear, the issue wasn't that the Fed raised rates to a historically average level, it was that they were manipulating the bond market in 2021 with trillions of dollars of QE.

One of the principle, statutory purposes of the Federal Reserve is to conduct monetary policy to achieve maximum employment and stable prices. That means it's the job of the Fed to manipulate interest rates.



Sure it is their job to set interest rates. It is far less clear that it is their job to buy government and corporate debt, and allow the government to issue unprecedented amounts if debt. Or to attempt to completely erase the business cycle.


That would be the Fed pursuing the "maintain the stability of financial markets and contain their systemic risks" part of its statutory purpose.


From current evidence, their efforts seem to have had the opposite effect.

These actions which the fed has never before undertaken (qe and zirp and even buying corp bonds) were to blame for the bubble, and the problems caused by unwinding it.


Covid would have forced a much harder reset, probably in 2021.


Covid came at the end of a decade of QE. They tried QT in 2019 before Covid hit and had to give up.

QE and ZIRP is the original sin here which created the dilemma the fed now faces - hard inflation or hard recession. They didn’t solve the GFC or Covid, they just postponed the impact and made it far worse.

I have absolutely no objection to counter-cyclical monetary policy but the monetary policy has become the cycle.


mind you the alternave is far worse.

Having unstable prices for staple goods will lead to unrest very, very quickly, which in term results in a downturn in the econonmy, which in term leads to even more unstable prices and thus more unrest.


Actually, they are sacrificing employment to stabilize prices: https://time.com/6253699/federal-reserve-inflation-interest-.... The interest rate hikes are designed to cause unemployment, and it's not even working.


Well, yeah, their "dual mandate" is contradictory. You're not the first to notice, trust me. And that means that sometimes they have to sacrifice one for the other. When one is doing historically well, and the other not so great, it's probably not a hard choice.


You’re inferring good faith, which - when dealing with humans - is an unsupported assumption. You don’t have to be an economist to draw the connection between printing money and a rise in nominal prices (irrespective of the interest rates and lending).

The Fed knows that there is no real ongoing inflation. The devaluation of the dollar already occurred and the new price has to propagate through the market. Their actions have no effect on the cause or broader course of apparent inflation only on who “wins and loses.”


>The Fed knows that there is no real ongoing inflation.

Can you cite any metric showing there is "no real ongoing inflation"? CPI, PPI, PCE, and other less-commonly used metrics all indicate ongoing inflation. It would be interesting to understand how you've arrived at the conclusion there isn't ongoing inflation.

>The devaluation of the dollar already occurred and the new price has to propagate through the market.

The DXY has been uptrending for nearly a decade, even more rapidly so since mid-2021.


They have a dual mandate. Pricing stability and employment. They're trying to trade one for another to achieve a better balance. Employment is far too hot right now.


It's a dual mandate because it's impossible to accomplish both. They have to decide which to focus on.


Don't see how anyone could view the feds actions in the last few years and conclude that they had this as their mandate


> maximum employment and stable prices

It's a dual mandate. If I'm not mistaken, we recently reached pre-pandemic employment levels. There is no way we would have reached this point without low interest rates through the pandemic.

Other countries have the same inflation rate that we do, but with lower employment rates. Ours is a better position to be in.


the economists at the fed think the only possible cause for inflation is demand pressure, forgetting the historical supply crunches that have led to inflation. wages are up and unemployment is down because production is still reeling from covid, especially as the largest generation in history retires. so amusingly, in their failed ploy to crush labor power, the feds have fucked the banks.

(this is not to excuse the greed of the bankers - this crisis is the purest essence of capitalism, it's inherent contradictions on full and gory display.)


> the economists at the fed think the only possible cause for inflation is demand pressure, forgetting the historical supply crunches that have led to inflation.

No, the economists at the Fed do not think that. Or rather, they try to find out what is driving inflation in any given situation, like they did with this 2022 study:

> Inflation has remained at levels well above the Federal Reserve’s inflation goal of 2% for over a year. Separating the underlying data from the personal consumption expenditures price index into supply- versus demand-driven categories reveals that supply factors explain about half of the run-up in current inflation levels. Demand factors are responsible for about one-third, with the remainder resulting from ambiguous factors. While supply disruptions are widely expected to ease this year, this outcome is highly uncertain.

* https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economi...


It is more like, demand is the only thing the Fed can control.

The Fed can’t end the invasion of Ukraine or cure avian flu or speed up cargo ships. They can raise rates and that’s about it.




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