yeah, I wonder where this type of miss-information comes from. Do people simply make things up out of thin air to suit their biases and then proclaim them to be true?
You are totally right. Why would anyone be trying to claim Sam is a founder when he’s clearly not.
The organization was founded in December 2015 by Ilya Sutskever, Greg Brockman, Trevor Blackwell, Vicki Cheung, Andrej Karpathy, Durk Kingma, Jessica Livingston, John Schulman, Pamela Vagata, and Wojciech Zaremba, with Sam Altman and Elon Musk serving as the initial board members.
Im not sure what the distinction you are drawing is.
Greg, Sam and Elon made a company and literally went out and hired researchers like Ilya.
They pulled together funding, created a company, and hired a team of researchers to operate it. If that isnt founding a company, I dont know what is. Sam was there before all of them
It is not like a scrappy team of researchers with a pre-existing company went out, got funding, then gave the VCs board seats.
If you are going to copy and paste from wikipedia, read a little further:
>In December 2015, Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, Reid Hoffman, Jessica Livingston, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Amazon Web Services (AWS), Infosys, and YC Research announced[15] the formation of OpenAI and pledged over $1 billion to the venture. The actual collected total amount of contributions was only $130 million until 2019.[6] According to an investigation led by TechCrunch, Musk was its largest donor while YC Research did not contribute anything at all.[16] The organization stated it would "freely collaborate" with other institutions and researchers by making its patents and research open to the public.[17][18] OpenAI is headquartered at the Pioneer Building in Mission District, San Francisco.[19][20]
According to Wired, Brockman met with Yoshua Bengio, one of the "founding fathers" of deep learning, and drew up a list of the "best researchers in the field".[21] Brockman was able to hire nine of them as the first employees in December 2015.
Sure, the convention in SV is also that the person created the company and is not an employee of someone else. The founder is there at the Inception of the company and it is their idea.
I feel like the facts are on the table, and if they don't convince someone then they are unlikely to be convinced by more facts
I think you're letting your personal feelings about Sam Altman cloud your judgment as to what facts you will accept and which you won't.
Whether Altman has a successful coup going or not is immaterial, but whether is a founder or not is what you asked and you got a pretty solid answer. You can like the answer, or you don't but it stands unopposed.
I have no personal feelings to Altman what so ever. What I dislike is the worship and rewriting of history to appease the business tycoons in the tech industry who are little more than parasites in many cases and I believe this one could be one of those cases.
On the flip side I think your blind worship of these tech business leeches may be clouding your judgement.
