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> You entered into an agreement with this school district.

If it's a public school, the agreement cannot include anything that violates a student's civil rights. Under the equal access rules currently in force, the fact that a student chooses to attend a particular school is not a factor -- her civil rights must be protected no matter what choices she makes.



True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Only after the fact did they start to protest it. Why didn't they protest it from the beginning?

Anyways, there is a magnet school literally right next to Taft HS that she could apply to that doesn't have the RFID tags. In fact, she is going to a school that is further away from where she lives and she should be going to the magnet school Comm Arts

I live in the area that this is talking about. I don't necessarily agree with the RFID tags, but claiming religion is a load of crap.


> True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms.

Doesn't matter -- it doesn't matter whether there is a signed agreement, only whether the agreement does or doesn't include provisions that violate civil rights. If this were not so, the South could have gone around and gotten all the poor black people to sign an agreement to attend inferior schools or give up the right to vote. They didn't even try this tactic, because they knew it wouldn't make any difference.

The tl;dr: Civil rights can't be signed away.


I understand that, but you also need to realize Jay HS is one of the worst, underfunded schools in the district. They NEED the money from attendance and that is the only way they get money.

If the govt. would start rewarding schools money not based on attendance alone, this would be a totally different thing.


> you also need to realize Jay HS is one of the worst, underfunded schools in the district. They NEED the money from attendance and that is the only way they get money.

I'm sure you didn't intend to explain how the school, on financial grounds, would be justified in violating the civil rights of the students. It was surely an oversight.


Pray tell, what civil rights are violated by carrying RFID badges?


Privacy, and the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure. Essentially, the Fourth Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_...

The Fourth Amendment is often cited in cases of this kind -- it has been interpreted in modern times as assuring some protections against unreasonable or unjustified surveillance.


How does measuring attendance by badging in to a classroom at the beginning of the class period constitute surveillance while taking roll does not?


He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school, and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them. To which, I'm not sure what kind of personally identifying information is on them other than a UUID. All speculation and snake oil


> He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school

Isn't that exactly what schools have always tried to do?

> and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them

Isn't that exactly the information schools have always had?


Yes and yes. I see the issue she's having with the RFID but I also don't understand why she is having such a problem. Her phone tracks her, facebook tracks her, google, etc... it's a problem yes, but I can't do anything about it other than complain.

I think the family just wanted to get a quick window of fame and be able to tell people "Ya, we forced the HS to get rid of those RFIDs."


>Her phone tracks her, facebook tracks her, google, etc... it's a problem yes, but I can't do anything about it other than complain.

Noone is forced to use a mobile phone nor Facebook nor Google.

>I think the family just wanted to get a quick window of fame and be able to tell people "Ya, we forced the HS to get rid of those RFIDs."

Or they could, you know, care about the issues.


> Or they could, you know, care about the issues.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're teaching their daughter an important lesson in civics -- and teaching the rest of us too.


These aren't arguments that can be used to increase the level of surveillance without explicit legislation and/or an explicit ruling by a court.


Being forced to carry one probably falls under the "unreasonable search" clause of the 4th Amendment.




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