> Bringing uo AC while you defend datacenters making global warming worst is just a cherry on top.of it. Just underlines anti-human fck you all ideology of it all.
This one is factual on both counts. All you need is to read what CEOs we talk about write and listen to what they say.
> These bad faith "but you exist and do unrelated things" fallacies are a.) bad faith b.) make people have ai people more.
This one was entirely correct assessment of the situation and proper response. It was a fallacy. It used the "but you exist and do unrelated things" argument. And yes, it makes people hate ai culture more.
> This one is factual on both counts. All you need is to read what CEOs we talk about write and listen to what they say.
What they write and say is all over the place. Some of it (IMO, everything in the last few years by Musk and Zuckerberg) is obviously nonsense.
Altman, much as people like to hate him, is presenting himself as wanting governments to figure out the rules by which this should all be restrained. Amodei put his money where his mouth is on attempted morality, and got burned by the Trump administration for his efforts.
> This one was entirely correct assessment of the situation and proper response. It was a fallacy. It used the "but you exist and do unrelated things" argument. And yes, it makes people hate ai culture more.
It's fine to care about the stated negative consequence. I sure do.
You a software developer? If so, where do you put your efforts on optimising code, the bit with 5% of the problem, or the bit with 95%?
Likewise: If you care at all about the stated negative consequence, you do not stick your fingers in your ears and moan about the people telling you the origin of 95% of those negative consequence, just because everyone's favourite target of hate this year is 5% of the total problem.
Meat in particular is way, *way* worse than most people think it is. I presume this is due a mixture of "but I like the taste" and PETA having about the same level of political nous as Liz Truss.
For most of the environmental issues under discussion, the total impact of meat production by itself has a *much* greater impact on both local and global environment than even what happens if all the currently planned data centres get built, though of course "how much" varies by both specific location and specific measure. Greenhouse gasses? Meat is 20x worse; Electricity? Meat's worse by a factor of 2; Fresh water? Meat's worse by 4000x in aggregate, with specific local stresses going both ways, wars have even started over fresh water supplies for agriculture; Biodiversity, eutrophication, deforestation, for these things DCs are obviously negligible, not so for meat; Mining/material extraction is hard to compare, given how much mineral fertiliser we go through, but the extraction of mined fertiliser has basically killed off some ecosystems; Local air pollution? Specifics matter, though planet-wide meat's still worse.
And then there's all the other things people do, and demand the right to do.
This one is factual on both counts. All you need is to read what CEOs we talk about write and listen to what they say.
> These bad faith "but you exist and do unrelated things" fallacies are a.) bad faith b.) make people have ai people more.
This one was entirely correct assessment of the situation and proper response. It was a fallacy. It used the "but you exist and do unrelated things" argument. And yes, it makes people hate ai culture more.