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> Reading a stop sign and deciding whether to stop is a City-Streets function, and that’s FSD. Basic Autopilot is built as a highway lane-keeping system, and it does not respond to stop signs. So a driver-assist car verified engaged as it ran a stop sign was, most likely, running FSD.

This just isn't true, "Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control" is a feature of basic autopilot on Model 3s.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2017_2023_model3/en_eu/GU...



It differs based on when you purchased the car and package. I have “Advanced Autopilot” (which is no longer for sale in my market) that does not stop for stop signs or traffic lights.

Earlier this year they stopped selling Autopilot altogether in the US and Canada.

Too much variation to make a call on whether their version sips have been stopping under these conditions.


My 2024 Model Y has "Autopilot" mode that does not stop for stop signs. It just keeps the car in the lane and maintains distance from the car in front.

The article is pretty clickbait-y, acknowledging it is unknown whether or not the car was using FSD or Autopilot, and then going on to speculate it probably was FSD, and then again saying "That's not a certainty".

>Because Tesla redacted the software version, we can’t say for certain whether this was basic Autopilot or “Full Self-Driving.”

I would like to know why Tesla (or any automaker) is allowed to redact this information.


Most US regulatory agencies give businesses broad latitude to self-redact their trade secrets in public filings, because otherwise they would have to take time away from their regulatory mission to engage in a bunch of debates about what is or is not a trade secret. The versions would be unredacted in the private reports given to the NHTSA.

People who think the software version isn't a valid trade secret can still ask for public disclosure, and the Washington Post has done so (https://electrek.co/2025/06/05/tesla-admits-suffer-financial...). If Tesla weren't allowed to self-redact, then the NHTSA wouldn't be able to see these reports at all until the courts settle this issue.


Thanks for the informative reply!


> I would like to know why Tesla (or any automaker) is allowed to redact this information.

That's an easy one, donate enough money to elected officials who would be the only ones that could prevent this from happening :)


Well that's news to me because my model 3 in autopilot definitely does not stop for traffic lights or stop signs.




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