Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

The launch was kinda neat too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3L7crGudVU

Finless rocket? How does it steer/stabilize? Do the engines have fine control over which side their fire perhaps?

I guess fins are useless outside of atmosphere anyway.



Probably steered through thrust vectoring. Liquid fuel rocket engines are often built to gimbal, typically 1...2 degrees to each side. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_engine#Thrust_vectoring

Another possible method of steering is to build four or more reaction jets around the rocket; could be fed with a monopropellant or exhaust from the main engine or its turbopump.


If you can deal with slight decreases in thrust, you can also do thrust vectoring with injecting water or other suitable liquid into the nozzle in proper places. Could be mechanically simpler than gimbals in some cases.


Thrust vectoring owns the sky! Now you've got me thinking of cellphones turning on a dime, Macross Zero style.


One of my friends is on the team that built this: thrust vectoring.


I don't know that I'd describe the launch as "neat". I'm searching for the right word to describe it... I guess maybe.... "nominal".

Anyway, almost all modern rockets don't use fins. They steer using thrust vectoring and attitude control thrusters.


Anyway, almost all modern rockets don't use fins.

...they don't start working until you're fast enough (quite high above the ramp, which is a sensitive area where you really need it) and they stop working once you leave the atmosphere (which is all too soon for an orbital carrier). Why bother with them?


There generally on the bottom stage so they don't reach Anything close to orbit. But what there really useful for is dampening rotations which is hard to fix with a thrust vectoring system.


Only on single engine stages; with 2 or more engines, damping rotation is no problem.


This has been being done for a long time. Saturn V's were thrust vectored too. For any large scale rocked, the fins are far to large to move like on smaller missiles.

This works well to cut down on mass and drag and is especially useful for silo/sub launched missiles where fins don't fit well in the launch tube.


Before someone corrects you with a photograph, the ascent stage had fins in addition to the vectoring on the F-1s. However, my understanding, though I might be wrong, is that those were intended for stabilizing the vehicle instead of acting as control surfaces.


I assume the engines are gimbal mounted and can direct their thrust.


You need to play more Kerbal Space Program http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/


When was the last time you saw a rocket with fins?




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: